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emblem, engraved in gold, this one was engraved with the general motor's logo on the back. as far as we can tell, governor mcdonnell's rolex is not on ebay yet. what will happen to it? johnny williams has not returned it yet to the store. the bottom line is we don't know the exact whereabouts of the governor's former rolex or any of these gifts, we're taking his word for it. when do we stop doing that? that does it for us tonight. now it is time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. of the many who have been united states senators, only eight have been african-americans. only three of them elected to the senate by popular vote. tonight, cory booker seems well on his way to being the fourth african-american to be elected to the united states senate.
>> the voters are heading to the polls today. >> voting to fill new jersey's senate seat? the seat vacated by the death of fra frank lautenberg. >> there is no vacation from the cross hairs of the gop. >> there are going to be a handful of senate republicans who want to defund obama care. >> that is what everybody wants. >> the rhetoric has already started. >> nobody disagrees with the goal, just the tactics. >> their colleagues can't seem to find unity. >> sometimes they get a bit frustrated. >> the press loves to say there is a division. >> they're shouting about this. >> sometimes they get a bit frustrated. >> and that is the situation right now. >> i worry for my kids and i worry for your kids. >> michael bloomberg, not a happy man. >> when did he last speak to hillary clinton? >> a new poll for anthony
weiner. >> i have a lot to prove to them as well. >> the law belongs to the people. >> hillary clinton now on the record about the defensive voting rights. >> the epidemic of election fraud. >> there is so much breaking news. >> kind of hard to process it all. we have breaking news from new jersey tonight in the special primary election for new jersey senate, to replace the seat left open after the death of democratic senator frank lautenberg. the new york mayor cory booker has won the democratic primary. he defeated three opponents, congressman holt and pallone and sheila oliver. tea party candidate, steve lonegan, the former mayor of bogota, new jersey, he has won that one. the special election for the
senate seat will be held on october 16th, a month before the november election for new jersey governor. cory booker said this a short time ago. >> it is such an honor to be your nominee. to be your democratic nominee for the united states senate. thank you. everywhere i have gone, i have talked about the need to bring people together. the need to find a new type of politics in america, the politics of getting things done. this is our nation's key hallmark. we are called to come together and build a more perfect union. this ideal is critical if we as a nation are going to achieve or highest aspiration. >> joining me now, msnbc's steve
kornacki, and editor and publisher, first of all, new jersey way to pronounce this -- >> they actually called it bogota. >> all right, good, we're going to come back to that. steve, from the time cory booker got elected mayor, people have been looking at him saying wow, he has got a big career in front of him. and when is he going to make his move? he was very patient. there was speculation about running for governor. but when he looked at frank lautenberg and looked at where he was in terms of his age and health, facing what would be possibly a difficult re-election, he decided to go for the senate. and since making the decision he seems to have executed the move perfectly. >> well, yeah, i say in all fairness, you know, cory booker won this campaign long before this campaign even started.
i think there were a lot of people in new jersey, and frankly, nationally, who have been waiting for a chance to vote for cory booker for something, whatever the office happens to be. i think he made a smart choice in choosing the senate race over the governor's race. i don't think he was seriously looking at the governor's race. i think he is more naturally fit for the senate. you could say maybe he was not quite patient enough -- >> steve, we're going to go to cory booker live right now. >> stand in the way, because in new york, we had a simple philosophy, when it comes to our people and creating a nation where every child can have the blessing, to dream bigger dreams. to have the higher hope and to get the support to empower them that no matter what their background, that they can have what it means to be an american. that we must, as a people, either find a way, or make a way. and so for the road ahead, i
won't care about red or blue. i wouldn't care about an insider's game. i will care about you. i will care about results for all the people in new jersey. from the suburbs to the inner city, from the palisades, down to cumberland county. we have work to do. and it won't be easy, don't get me wrong. the sceptics are right when they say there is a new corrosive kind of politics in washington, the politics that denies the glory of a common destiny. a type of politics that says compromise is a dirty word. and bipartisanship is as rare as a rainbow at midnight. but i know that is not new jersey. and those definitely are not our values. you see i now know who my opponent will be in october. and he is a person of strong
believes. and i found out already, even stronger rhetoric. but please know this about me. those who know me already know my spirit. please know this about me, i will match his negative attacks with positive vision. he puts up his fist, i'm going to extend a hand. he wants to be a flame-thrower, i want to be a bridge-builder. but don't get me wrong, i cut my teeth here in newark. so i'm telling you right now in this campaign if he demeans a woman's equality, i will affirm it.
if he seeks to regulate our gay brothers and sisters as second class citizenship, i will elevate them and everyone. i will elevate with the truth that god loves all his children, even those that seeks to deny some equality, he loves you, too. if in this election he attacks our cities and urban spaces i will defend them. and the people who have never given up on the idea that all of new jersey can, should, and must resonate with the hope and the promise of america. that we cannot divide this state, north and south, democrat and republican, urban and suburban, all the state has one destiny, we we are one person and one vision. just like in newark, nothing
truly, truly worthwhile can ever be accomplished alone. if we want to get things done we all have a part to play. and so i'm going to be calling on you. i know there is a lot of folks here that may be a little weary because we had to work real hard to get here tonight. but i'm going to be asking everybody in our state now regardless of your party or your path, regardless of where you live or where you work, i'm asking all of the people of new jersey to come together in this election. and in the larger campaign that goes beyond an election day, the campaign to get things done for you, for us, for new jersey. you see, the great leaders i admire are not the ones that get people to follow them in reverence and awe, but the ones who roll up their sleeves, through struggle and service help us all realize that we, too, must lead. we are the leaders now, who must more than ever join in leading
the fight and the way forward. this is what we need now. and this is our experience in america, in new jersey, in newark. and this is a unique experience i will bring to washington, should i be your senator. experience. >> steve kornacki, we heard an echo of barack obama in there when he said i won't care about red or blue, i will care about you. also his anticipation of the tactics of his opponent, may be something of a flame-thrower and how he won't be playing the game quite the same way. >> yeah, so you talk about that opponent and you talk about obama in his boston speech of 2004, and if you remember barack obama in 2004 was running for the senate in illinois. and he ended up being a very easy -- it ended up being a very easy election, because alan keys, in the contrast, obama came out very well in that contrast. i look at steve lonegan, who
will be cory booker's opponent here in new jersey. the one of my first encounters with steve lonegan was on martin luther king jr. day, and he held a press conference to attack the affirmative action. that is where steve lonegan became known against, the affirmative action, he is not going to win this thing. he is not electable in a state like new jersey. but he can certainly say things that will get lots of national attention for all the wrong reasons for a likeability standpoint. and cory booker is able to play a heroic role in countering that. >> his most recent salvo is his handicap of running as a white guy in new jersey. >> well, i have a quote from
steve lonegan, we just have time for one on obama care. he said i will be as callous and uncaring as you can imagine, i have no interest in helping to pay for your health care, i would hate to see you get cancer, but that is your problem, not mine. that is typical? >> that is absolutely typical. to call him a flame-thrower, does not do him justice. he ran against chris christie in the 2009 republican primary for governor. so he has had his turn around the dance floor in the statewide races. >> so steve, this is why cory booker looked so happy during most of the speech tonight. he knows that even with a possibly stronger republican opponent, this state votes for democratic senators. >> and the fact that he can even have the nomination shows how unseriously chris christie took
this election, the only goal was to not have cory booker on the ballot with him in november. mission accomplished. he is happy to have no attention on this race. and the rest of the republican establishment, they knew that. which is why a guy like lonegan, he would essentially get this nomination unopposed. >> just in case we do have to pace more attention to the race, nick, can you give me the pronounceation of the town? >> bogota. >> thank you very much, with your new jersey expertise. >> thank you. coming up, tea party republicans versus the republican leadership over shutting down the government to de-fund obama care. and later, hillary clinton is doing exactly what she should be doing if she is running for
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he meant no one except the republicans in the senate and house. >> why is this the best method at the time in your mind? >> it is the only method, and people want us to stand up, i ran against obama care, that is what everybody wants. >> utah's first term senator mike lee, who as of now knows apparently nothing about legislation thinks he has figured out a way out of the problem of having to shut down the entire government in order to de-fund obama care.
>> okay, so this is a false choice that we're talking about here, the false choice -- that suggests that somehow we've got to choose between either funding obama care on the one hand or causing a government shutdown on the other hand. what i'm saying is let's fund government, but just not obama care. the only reason we're in this position to begin with is that congress has chosen to fund everything at once in one big huge bucket. nobody shops like this and congress shouldn't spend money like this. >> enter karl rove who has been forced to play the voice of republican to republicans who were not paying very much attention in their high school government classes. >> all spending constitutionally begins with the house. why not use the constitutional power that the house has and isolate the payment -- >> because -- sean, the bill does have to start in the house, you're right. but the senate has the ability to amend it. and the senate democrats have the vote to amend it to send it
back to say, okay, we now approve spending for obama care, we took back your exact provisions and we're sending it back to you. >> apparently sensing that he was getting nowhere with the procedural argument, karl rove summarized the politics this way. >> and who gets blamed? does anybody think that the republicans are going to escape being blamed for our troops not being paid, our prison guards not getting paid? our border patrol not being paid? let's not kid ourselves, we'll be blamed. >> joining me now, msnbc's krystal ball and ari melber. what do you think is on the other side of the play here, the
republican leadership will get passed among this? >> it is going to have to be something like that. because the rand pauls of the world, the mike lees of the world, the ted cruzs of the world, they are too invested in their future of placating the tea party to totally back down on this. so they're going to have to do something. it is also worth talking about the republicans are coming to their senses, they don't want the government to shut down. but it is all tactics, not strategy. they're not bothered by the idea of shutting down the government. they're bothered by the idea it would cause them to lose and it would bother them politically, they're still justice-committed to try to de-fund and stop the health care reform without any sort of meaningful suggestions on the other side. >> ari, every time i hear the republican senators and congressmen who tend to be the junior ones, talking about shutting down the government or
their constituents in the town hall meetings, i feel like i'm really hearing them say they believe they can shut down all the parts of the government they don't like. but that in fact, you know, the troops will continue to be paid. and the veteran's hospitals will function flawlessly, and they don't even seem to think of the stuff that they like the government doing, as government. >> yeah, i mean, between john boehner and his tea party caucus is sort of like the old saying, you know, fool me once, shame on you. fool me 39 times over obama care, you're a caucus-ful of irresponsible babies. and everybody knows that expression. it is this repetition, as you say, lawrence, the selective idea of funding. as they know on the hill, there are a lot of votes people don't like because when you deal with the package, the continue iing resolution, sometimes you fund
the sometime you don't like or you don't get the stuff locally. what i think is important here, i'm really glad you're covering it. some people say we shouldn't even look at this. we should absolutely look at it. it is a mirror image of their problem on the sequester over the long-term. which is that they cannot stand by the type of rhetorical hatred that you find with the government. when they work it out, you find they don't want the sequester to apply to their military base or their programs in their district. and they definitely don't want, i don't think, to shut down the whole government here, because they will remind everybody why we need government. >> all right, let's listen to what rand paul had to show hannity how he thinks it can work. >> i may not be able to guarantee victory, but i guarantee i will stand up, if the house were to fund it the senate probably won't. so the ultimate compromise is, we take it away from obama's agenda and back towards ours.
which may not be de-funding it. but you start out with de-funding it in order to get to maybe a delay or to where the individual idea goes away. >> krystal, translation, they understand they may not win this one. >> right, as ari points out, they don't have a governing philosophy, they have a rhetorical philosophical approach that does not work in the real world. they're going to have five of 12 appropriations bills passed. they have only passed five of 12, they can't even perform the basic functions of government that normally get no attention. that is how dysfunctional this caucus is right now. >> and ari, byron york who has good sources on the republican side who says there are whispers going on in the republican side now that they can't be completely confident about continuing to control the house after this next congressional election. >> i think that is absolutely
right. i think you have a speaker who is constantly worried about losing his leadership job. you senator mcconnell worried about losing his job -- and potentially the general. and i don't wish a lesson learned here, because i don't think that is good for people. i don't think it is good for the air traffic controllers and the people who get snapped and the people who get the funding. but ultimately i think if there is a real crash, that is what karl rove has been warning them. >> thank you. coming up, joy reid and a former new york city police captain will join us to discuss nypd's stop and frisk policy. and we'll also hear what the mayoral candidates from new york had to say about that tonight. u. you get to take ownership of the choices you make.
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years. the stop-and-frisk has been misused and abused, and people have been targeted because of the color of their skin. blacks and latinos have been stopped only because they have been profiled. so the judge's decision is right. it is time to reform stop-and-frisk. >> i have been surprised to be the only candidate, republican or democrat who has long called for an end to stop-and-frisk. >> let's be clear, we need a ban on racial profiling. we need a ban on that with a city law. >> bill de blasio is apparently the frontrunner, he wins 30% of the vote now. a 15-point increase in just three weeks, city council speaker christine quinn follows behind at 24%, bill thompson now at 2%, anthony weiner is down to 10%, a 16-% drop since july 24th. it may be because of his stance
on stop-and-frisk, 34% support de blasio, 22% support quinn. joining me now, former nypd captain and the author of "the crime numbers game." and msnbc's joy reid. john, could you tell us what the nypd's rationale is for stop-and-frisk and what is left of it now after this federal court ruling? >> well, certainly, their rationale behind this case really is they feel it is bringing down crime. that is the key to the entire thing is stopping violence. but unfortunately, their position on this is totally misguided. they're completely wrong, and all the statistics indicate they're wrong on this, and why they continue to push this is just untenable. there is just no reason for them to continue. in 2002, when police commissioner kelly came into
office, crime was already down 63%. so to claim that somehow a 600% increase in stop-and-frisk is causing a crime decrease is just lunacy. it is just completely wrong. >> and john, the nypd became a statistics-driven department over the last several years on everything. and under bill bratten, had he was running it. and can you explain to me why these statistics don't impress them the way they impressed the judge, which is since the stop-and-frisk program is about ultimately the -- the ultimate target of it is getting weapons. in exactly 1% of the african americans who were stopped and frisked, 1% produced a weapon through that search. of hispanics, it was 1.1%. and then of white people it was the highest. it was 1.4%.
and those numbers were very important to the judge. but those numbers don't seem to have any effect on the way the nypd has been running stop and frisk. >> you're right. and that is a very sad testament to them. they have not looked at the statistics in this regard. they're looking at them only in one way and that is that they want to bring down crime. and policing in a democracy is far more complicated than simply bringing down crime. anyone can really bring down crime. we simply disrespect people's rights and we can bring down crime. we can chop people's hands off, for example, but who wants to live in such a society like that? the key in a democracy is to bring down crime while at the same time respecting basic rights. and that is the key that mayor bloomberg and commissioner kelly seem to miss. this flip side of respecting people's basic rights. and this is what makes policing such a high calling.
it is far more difficult to bring down crime while respecting rights. they don't want to do it the hard way. they want to do it the easy way and just walk all over people. and that is what makes this such a terrible calamity, especially in a minority neighborhood. >> joy, this was a boiling issue in the campaign, and it seems it took the judge's ruling to make it a number one issue. as "the new york times" anyway was tracking this case, it started to become pretty obvious last week and before that, that the judge was going to rule this way. >> yeah, absolutely, and you start to see candidates adjust their positions on stop-and-frisk as it became more imminent and the case took on momentum. his position was a little more nuanced, christine quinn, her statement in the debate must have come as quite a surprise to the new yorkers who have been following the race. she has not been against
stop-and-frisk, this is a new position for her. and the reason you see bill deblasio, who was not even a contender, he is now picking up a lot of the african-american support from anthony weiner, in a large part because he has been the most consistently in addition to mr. lu, he is benefitting, christine quinn has not done the out reach in the african-american community, and really she has no choice. now, stop-and-frisk has become a top drawer issue in the mayoral campaign. >> joy, just a note in the dynamics of the race, throughout this whole weiner section of the campaign, christine quinn has stayed in the same place. the numbers basically not really moving. she is at 24 tonight. and the others are all moving as a result of the anthony weiner collapse. that is just in the dynamics of
the polling, that is a very bad sign for quinn. >> it is a very bad sign for her, she has been stuck at around 26%, really that was her frontrunner status. she really has not gone beyond that. she has made the base in the more affluent parts of the city, she has the wall street base and has it locked down, but the definite part of it is the african-american vote. it is in motion, it was moving toward anthony weiner, now moving between bill thompson and de blasio, i think they are the two that have the potential to break away if one of them can consolidate the black vote. and the stop-and-frisk is one reason why either one of them will pull away. >> in the training for stop-and-frisk, included in the training, is it just the hard fact that the overwhelming
majority of the people who will be stopped and frisked are innocent citizens who should be treated with dignity, and although there is no dignified way to initiate a stop-and-frisk necessarily, there are training methods you could bring to it about how you end a stop-and-frisk that emphasizes in as much as possible the officers handing the dignity back to these people who they just interfered with, this way? >> you know, you're absolutely right, training can always be improved. the issue as i see it, in new york city, the rookies, people just coming out of the police academy and impact units are being given quotas on stop-and-frisk. now, my experience, as with many others, once you get out of the police academy you really are very raw, you really don't have a full understanding of a veteran on the police
department. those seasoned veterans can recognize individualized, reasonable suspicion which is what is necessary in order to legally do a stop-and-frisk. so putting these pressures on these officers who really have very little understanding of what the job is like is simply untenable. the police department simply should not be doing this. in fact their training at that level, of these rookies is continuing. they need to continue that. in the survey that i did with professor eli silverman, we found that officers had only slight pressure, using that as a base line. very little pressure on them. you know, 9%, 10% pressures to do stop-and-frisk. this has skyrocketed under mr. kelly and mr. bloomberg to 36%, this is just absolutely incredible. >> thank you both for joining me. >> you're welcome.
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governor of new york, when unemployment was a manageable 4.4%, fdr read a book entitled "the road to plenty" in which the authors made a point for government spending to pull the economy back up whenever we hit a downturn in what they then called the business cycle. aft after digesting the book's argument that we could spend our way out of a recession, fdr wrote in his own hand a very short review on the book's cover page, and here it is. look at this. too good to be true, you can't get something for nothing. but, by the time roosevelt took the oath of office as president in 1933, he had, in effect, become a follower of the most prominent advocate of government spending during a recession, or in this case, a depression, the
british economist. when he entered the white house, the unemployment rate was 23.6%. a full-fledged depression was under way. professor kains had written a long piece entitled the world's economic outlook, a piece that was studied by roosevelt's economic advisers. roosevelt's call for a new economic deal was because of him. he would put people to work by hiring them directly and private sector jobs, in a variety of ways. here is fdr at his inauguration. >> this is to put people to work. this is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and with courage. it can be accomplished by the direct recruiting by the government itself.
treating the task as we would treat war. but at the same time, improving employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our great natural resources. >> and it worked. unemployment went down. so you would think lesson learned. kains was right. and it was a lesson learned for people who lived through that era, including republican president richard nixon who had no problem saying in 1971, i am now a keynesian in economics. those were his words. when nixon said that, he knew the keynes were labelled socialists. he knew it was admitting to a lot for a republican, but it was completely non-controversial at that time when he said that. the conservative conservatives'
economist said we are all keysnians now. it seemed there was no going back on this. but then this happened. >> this is not your ordinary run-of-the mill recession. we are going through the worst recession since the great depression. most economists almost unanimously recognize that even if philosophically you're weary of government intervening in the economy, when you have a problem we have right now, what started on wall street goes to main street. suddenly, businesses can't get credit. they start to tear down their investments. they start laying off workers. workerings start
worker -- workers pull back in terms of spending. that when you have that situation where government is an important element of introducing some additional demand into the economy. >> it seems that all it took for republicans to all join the flatter society of economic was the election to the presidency of barack obama. prior to that, republicans were happy to deficit fund all sorts of things like wars and new medicare prescription drug benefits. but once barack obama proposed the tried and true years of keysnian use of economics, republicans were unanimously opposed. at no point during his presidency has barack obama gone on record on the matter of the planet earth being round. so republicans have not yet been forced to change their minds about that. president roosevelt was lucky enough to get a personal tutorial on keysnian economics, by the man himself, perkins was
not in the room but got a firsthand report from both the president and keynes afterward and presented it in her memoir afterwards. rather briefly he talked about economics. roosevelt told me he talked about the economics. coming into my office, keynes repeated his word fs for the action he had taken, but supposed the president was more literate, economically speaking, he pointed out once more that a dollar spent by the government was a dollar given by the grocer to the wholesaler, and then to the farm, and one penny paid out for economic relief, you have created four dollars worth of national income. i wish he had been as concrete
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e . still working on the campaign -- >> helping out every day. >> is -- do you know what her role in hillary clinton's 2016 campaign will be? >> i do. >> what will it be? >> i'm not telling you. >> in a statement responding to what he said, a spokesperson said we don't have a clue what he was talking about, maybe his campaign does. doubt it, though. after the mayoral debate, anthony weiner tried to clarify his remarks. >> when you read the question,
what is my wife doing, and you heard me say yes, when you read the joke, yes, but i would have to kill you, everybody laughed. it was a joke. >> hillary clinton is following the standard playbook for not yet announced presidential candidates. announcing she will deliver a series of policy speeches, including national transparency and security, and the first of those. and last night, hillary clinton supreme court on the topic of voter suppression. >> we've seen a sweeping effort across our country to obstruct new obstacles of voting, often under the cover of election fraud. not every obstacle is related to race, but anyone who says that race discrimination is no longer a problem in elections must not be paying attention. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor and "washington post" columnist, e. j.dionne, i
don't even know how to answer that. he couldn't make things more awkward. >> he is collapsing fast in the polls. and for the clintons, they don't want her continually linked to the weiner story. and i think her attacking the voter suppression laws like the one in north carolina is a very good move. the right to vote is under attack, b, this is very important. the segment of the democratic party that didn't vote for her, which is the african-american community, so i think this idea of giving speeches and starting with voter suppression speaks right to the heart of the democratic party. >> and she has unhindered access to all the democratic voters who voted for president obama back in the primaries. and i think people have forgotten that that is actually
a case she needs to make, even though she is very strong in the polls she needs to strengthen that part of her support. >> right, and i think that started happening with bill clinton's efforts on behalf of barack obama last year. i think that made a big difference in the minds of african-americ african-americans. she starts this race with most of the votes she got the last time. but i think that was not the case of voters liking one candidate and hating the other. there were a lot of obama voters who kind of wanted to vote for clinton. and so they're looking forward to the chance of voting for her this time. but she is making it easier for them to do that right now. >> yeah, that is a very good point, e. j., i know a lot of people who started off with hillary clinton, including women voters, who then gradually moved to candidate obama by the time the candidate came to their state and it was time to vote.
>> right, and there were some who felt a little guilty about it so they like to chance to vote for clinton the next time. the other thing is, it is hard to see anybody out there right now who is strong enough to challenge her. the only possibility is joe biden, and i am good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight on "all in" it's the hottest show not on television. netflix's true story women's prison drama "orange is the new black." tonight i'll be joined by piper kerman, author of the book and inspiration for the show's lead character. you definitely want to stick